Monday, March 17, 2008

The 21st Century Inquisition Of Barack Obama by Proxy

Dr. Jeremiah Wright

The following in no wise should be construed as support for Sen. Barack Obama. I will not and could not vote for Sen. Obama. That being said I could not express more how inappropriate the indirect and specious attacks against Sen. Obama are by targeting people close to him and attributing their actions and their words to Sen. Obama.

I could say that this is a wrong approach for Conservatives to take but I’ve heard so much of this blatant fear mongering that I don’t think many Conservatives are being rational.

I have consistently said that Barack Obama can be beat on the basis of his own words and his own beliefs. The day that we let stand this kind of guilt by association is the today that we are all condemned.

There I’ve said it as concise as I know how, for those of you that get it you can stop reading here. For those of you who believe that attacking Obama’s faith and using his minister’s words against him is justified allow me to show you where this kind of attack leads us.

In human history religion has be associated with some of man’s greatest achievements and accounted for some of man’s most barbaric and inhumane acts against one another.

To the religious sublime to the depths of religious absurdity man has attempted to understand and connect with a reason why we exist if there be one.

History is replete with harrowing accounts of religious tyranny. That tyranny was obviously on the minds of the founding fathers when they created the birth certificate of American, the Declaration of Independence. To be sure protecting people from tyranny whether it is the tyranny of governments or the tyranny of religion is principle in the society in which we live, and in the document which defines our society the Constitution of the United States of America.

Nonetheless though we have a birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence and though we have a society defined by the Constitution, In spite of these things what we have witnessed befall Sen. Barack Obama in the last few days is nothing short of the tyranny that the founders attempted to arrest by the ideas contained in the documents that originally give America life.

Over the last several days I have heard Conservative pundits and the main stream media attempt to make Sen. Barack Obama accountable for the words of another man.

No where in History, in Christianity or in the U.S. Constitution can I find that one man can be held responsible for the words of another man yet the words of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, pastor of Sen. Barack Obama have been played and vilified and linked to Sen. Obama as if Sen. Obama himself is responsible for the actions and the thoughts of another man.

Neither have I found such an occurrence in the annuals of secular or religious law where one man was brought before a tribunal to account for someone else’s words.

Even in the gospels when a mother and father were brought before a court of sorts to determine how a blind man, their son, had miraculously gained his sight they said, “Ask him he is of age.”

Martin Luther

Speaking of religion, brings me to Martin Luther considered a heretic for opposing the established Church authority of his time. In 1521, the Holy Roman Emperor, Charles V, demanded that Luther appear before the diet of the Holy Roman Empire at Worms to give an account of words that Luther had written. They were in fact and in deed Luther’s words, Luther’s ideas not someone else’s! Imagine if situations were like today Luther would have been tried for someone else’s words. But even in the Dark ages there was some standard of fairness.

To Christians Luther is revered as a modern day Church reformer. Luther single handedly initiated the Protestant movement in the Christian church, but did you know that Luther was a rabid anti-Semite who advocated the ideas that Jews' homes should be destroyed, their synagogues burned, money confiscated and Jewish liberty curtailed? And did you know that Luther’s ideas were revived and used in propaganda by the Nazis in 1933–45.

Martin Luther a revered Christian reformer and anti-Semite my question is can you find anything that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has said that even comes close to this? Louis Farrakhan on this worst day never said anything that compared with what Luther taught about Jews yet Sen. Obama was made to disavow and repudiate Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright. But have Christians disavowed Martin Luther or the whole Lutheran sect or Protestantism?

According to Wikipedia there are about 800 million Protestants worldwide, among approximately 1.9 billion Christians. These include 170 million in North America, 160 million in Africa, 120 million in Europe, 70 million in Latin America, 60 million in Asia, and 10 million in Oceania. Shouldn’t all of these Protestants be made to disavow and repudiate the anti-Semitic words of Martin Luther?

One can not attribute one violent act that occurred after a Farrakhan or Wright sermon not one. Yet based on the words of Luther Nazi’s killed 6 million Jews. Surely Christians should be made to disavow Luther, Lutherans and the Protestant movement that came from Martin Luther’s words. This is extreme but no more extreme than calling for Barack Obama to disavow his pastor and Farrakhan.

Thomas Jefferson

The man who is credited for authoring the Declaration of Independence if he were alive today no doubt he would not be able to be elected President of this Country today even though he was the third man to hear the words and wear the title of Mr. President. But today because of the de facto religion test that we have in America and ignorance of the principles in the Constitution this founding father would not be electable today.

Thomas Jefferson considered an atheist by some or deist, regardless, believed to be an American icon today by all said:
"Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone. I inquire after no man's, and trouble none with mine." --Thomas Jefferson to Miles King, 1814. ME 14:198

"I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Dowse, 1803. ME 10:378

"Religion is a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved. I have considered it as a matter between every man and his Maker in which no other, and far less the public, had a right to intermeddle." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1813.

"From the dissensions among Sects themselves arise necessarily a right of choosing and necessity of deliberating to which we will conform. But if we choose for ourselves, we must allow others to choose also, and so reciprocally, this establishes religious liberty." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:545

“…Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions…” -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1,1802

If some one would have attempted to attack Thomas Jefferson on his religious affiliation as what is being done to Barack Obama one would have been told in no uncertain terms that Jefferson’s religious affairs are none of your business and are of a private matter.

Jefferson himself would have told you that.

What Barack Obama believes and how he worships, according to the author of the Declaration of Independence and a founding father, are between him and God and no one has the right to meddle in his beliefs or violate his privacy on the matter according to Jefferson.

Article VI

In article VI of the Constitution of the United States of American it is clearly set out that there can not be any form of a religious test to prevent public service.
The "no religious test" clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, section 3, and states that:

“ religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. ”

In conclusion, Europe and Christianity had its Inquisitions in them the Church committed sins against humanity, early America had its witch hunts which Christians persecuted innocence people in the name of religion.

Today Conservatives use the words of one man to put another man on trial. It is an evil that even the evil of the dark ages with its Inquisitors pale against. Conservatives replay Jeremiah Wright’s words and link them to Sen. Barack Obama as if witches where being hunted once again.

Whether or not Jeremiah Wright is a racist, a black nationalist, or anti-American the fact that Conservatives would attempt to smear Sen. Barack Obama with religion and with word that are not his own is against everything that America has stood for from its very inception and will eventually come back to haunt Conservatives at the most inconvenient opportunity.

Sadly this tactic will do nothing to dissuade Obama supporters. Only those who would not vote for Sen. Obama any way will be affected in a negative way. What will happen is Liberals have another reason to think ill of Conservatives for using what seems to them to be a desperate attempt to derail their candidate.

Thomas Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible where he repudiates the virgin birth, deletes all miracles and disregards the deity of Jesus yet he would tell you that his religious beliefs are his own and between him and his God only.

Martin Luther an avowed anti-Semite, whose words were used by Nazis as justification to murder 6 million Jews but Luther also initiated the Protestant movement which 1.9 billion Christians have never disavowed themselves from the horrific words of Luther.

Conservatives and the MSM have trotted out Barack Obama’s pastor’s sermons in an effort to smear Sen. Obama by association. If Conservatives continue down this road will they be ask to disavow Jefferson and Luther?

Should they?


  1. Anonymous9:36 AM


    Here is where I part company with your Protestant point of view. From my own Eastern Orthodox perspective, I must say that you have just laid the big one [and the hen house cackles loudly in the background] on this quote of yours:

    No where in History, in Christianity or in the U.S. Constitution can I find that one man can be held responsible for the words of another man yet the words of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, pastor of Sen. Barack Obama have been played and vilified and linked to Sen. Obama as if Sen. Obama himself is responsible for the actions and the thoughts of another man.

    In the Bible, Eli was held responsible for the deeds of his sons.

    In the Nuremberg Court of International Justice, the War Crimes Trial of 1946 executed Hans Frank because “He Went Along.” Source: Nuremburg Diary by G.M. Gilbert. Of course, many who went along with the worship of the Golden Calf were punished.

    OBAMA WENT ALONG for 20 years. The United Church of Christ went along. Obama did not vote against Wright when it came time to renew his pastoral contract. Nor did Obama ask for Wright to retract anything, to resign, or to be excommunicated. Obama still hasn’t asked for this remedy to Wrights Heresies and Apostasies. This is a problem in Obama’s Character.

    As much as I hold Obama responsible for GOING ALONG, I hold the United Church of Christ greatly more responsible. Just as St. Paul denounced one of his Churches for permitting incest among its membership, so also do I hold the United Church of Christ responsible for not pronouncing the sentence of ANATHEMA MARANATHA upon Jeremiah Wright. They can no longer be regarded to be Christains, and they are worse than the Manicheans, the Gnostics, the Arians, and the Monophysites combined. Let this be unto them, the United Church of Christ, an Anathema.

    Moderate Democrat

  2. Anonymous9:58 AM

    PS: Notice that I have disavowed Luther.

    PPS: As per Thomas Jefferson whom I do not disavow, a Man's Religious Beliefs concern me in so far as what their impact upon his governance over me will be. I would certainly object to a Muslim Cleric imposing his Jizyah Tax upon me for my unguaranteed right to live.

    Moderate Democrat

  3. MD,

    I don’t know the Eastern Orthodox Bible reads but according to a Western edition Eli was held in account for his own sins by the man of God not his sons. And his sons where condemned for their sins! So you are wrong in this. (See verses below)

    1 Sam. 2:27-30 & 34
    Now a man of God came to Eli and said to him, "This is what the LORD says: 'Did I not clearly reveal myself to your father's house when they were in Egypt under Pharaoh?

    I chose your father out of all the tribes of Israel to be my priest, to go up to my altar, to burn incense, and to wear an ephod in my presence.

    I also gave your father's house all the offerings made with fire by the Israelites.

    Why do you scorn my sacrifice and offering that I prescribed for my dwelling? Why do you honor your sons more than me by fattening yourselves on the choice parts of every offering made by my people Israel?'

    "Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: 'I promised that your house and your father's house would minister before me forever. ' But now the LORD declares: 'Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained.

    " 'And what happens to your two sons, Hophni and Phinehas, will be a sign to you--they will both die on the same day.

    As for your other assessment; Apples and Oranges. Hans Frank was executed for war crimes, acts that he committed not only beliefs that he held.

    A man can believe me inferior but until acts on that belief he as not harmed me.

    So your not so cleverly phased, “He Went Along,” means that Hans Frank acted on the Nazi philosophy and actually killed Jews based on teachings extrapolated from Luther.

    Unless you can show that Obama; planted a bomb, killed white people or in some way harmed American in accordance with Rev. Wrights preaching your use of, “He Went Along,” doesn’t have the same mean as it does with Hans Frank.

    I would expect someone who prides themselves on being articulate, open mi[n]ded, literate, and jocular would know the difference!

    You are beginning to became a disappointment me MD.

    Finally you do well in disavowing Luther however whether you realize it or not your own words disavow Thomas Jefferson as well when you contradict his beliefs.

    You say:PPS: As per Thomas Jefferson whom I do not disavow, a Man's Religious Beliefs concern me in so far as what their impact upon his governance over me will be.

    I would certainly object to a Muslim Cleric imposing his Jizyah Tax upon me for my unguaranteed right to live.

    Your statement is an utter and complete disavowment of Jeffersonian thought.

    You really should be more precise in your language it suggests sloppy reasoning and thought!

    I must say I was hoping for a substanial challenge, maybe you can regroup and come back with one!

    your friend,

  4. Anonymous2:29 PM

    Do your research, Al!

    Barack Obama is a "partner in the works" of Wright, to quote the Bible, though I ascribe greater cu;pability to the United Church of Christ for permitting Wright's ordination and hia continued "service".

    Eli did nothing to stop the evil works of his sons, which is what he was judged for. HE WENT ALONG.

    Obama is still "going along". There has been no call for Wright's Defrocking or Excommunication from Obama. There is no call to expell him from his congregation or religious denomination, especially from Obama. I don't mind saying that I left one Protestant Denomination because a Preacher carelessly left his Beer Bottle on the Alter [as I recall, that Denomination lost a sizeable chunk of their membership during the succeeding years] , and that I left another Protestant Denomination because of the "quality of instuction" [or lack thereof] of their Sunday School Teachers, as exemplified by un-Christain conduct [Said Pastor was later ousted because he went too far by playing favorites]. I also broke with a Pastor (who was later defrocked) because of his backdoor intrusion of Calvinism.

    Make no mistake, those who go along pay the price. Germany paid the price for "going along" in 1945, as did Italy and Japan.

    In international Justice, Hans Frank was explicitly sentenced to death for "going along". Others who were sentenced for implicitly going along were Rudolph Hess, Albert Speer, Julius Streicher, Admiral Doenitz, General Keitl. General Jodl, Baldur von Schirach, and Alfred Rosenberg. One who was acquitted for NOT GOING ALONG was Haljmar Horace Greely Schacht. Only Father Adolf Martin Bormann had the opportunity of redeeming his family's honor by not going along in his later life.

    Unless you are a Calvinist constrained by Predestination to deny all semblance of Free Will, Barack Obama has the Moral Imperative, as do all those who exercise Free Will, to walk out on such monsterous apostacy. My Bible is a Translated Bible [like the Old Slavonic Bible or the Septuagint Version], not an Edited Bible [like the 1599 Geneva Study Bible]. Perhaps we are using different Bibles.

    As per the Jizyah Tax [which you need to bone up on], the Tax that the Islamist would ike to impose on us heretics for the Right to live, I certainly would not vote for someone who would saddle me with such a preposterously unconstitional tax which would be a Total Violation of Freedom of Speech (among other rights). It would be a quantum leap of imagination to think that Thomas Jefferson would not concur with me on Jizyah.

    As to my mixing Apples and Oranges, we Mathematicians do not mix Apples and Oranges, per se. We do mix Imaginary Numbers with Real Numbers using the conversion factor of i^2 = -1, and we solve many a problem with this equation. We even use the Anti-Commutative Quaternion Ring to add Pears, Lemons, and Grapefruit to our equations.


  5. Anonymous2:53 PM

    Do you even know what the Jizyah Tax is about???

  6. Cute but still wrong MD!

    I just quoted the scripture regarding Eli but you continue to insist that I take your interpretation over what the scripture actually says. This is what the man of God said to Eli:

    Why do you scorn my sacrifice and offering that I prescribed for my dwelling?

    Why do you honor your sons more than me by fattening yourselves on the choice parts of every offering made by my people Israel?'

    These are the charges against Eli. God through the prophet says that (1)Eli didn't respect the sacrifice and offering, (2)put his family affections (his sons) above God and (3)Eli stole from God!

    You are using your simplistic account to merely support your argument but that only takes away from the integrity of the scripture.

    You're being intellectually dishonest here. I'm afraid I'll have to hold that against you.

    The rest of your construct is based on the unconstitutional MD.

    In this country we have the constitutional guaranteed freedoms of association and of religion.

    As Jefferson said:
    "Religion is a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved. I have considered it as a matter between every man and his Maker in which no other, and far less the public, had a right to intermeddle." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1813.

    Who are you to look into another man's religion and tell him how he most worship or put in order his orthodoxy or his liturgy.

    Are thou Judge?

    That is the tyranny that the founding fathers attempted to protect the American people against.

    That line of thought represents Nazi Germany more than anything that Obama has omitted or comitted.

    Again Hans Frank was condemned for his actions which were murderous.

    Until you can show me where Obama has equaled Hans Frank in deed you need to put this inappropriate comparison to rest.

    You have gone completely overboard in your unreasoned arguments.

    Here's hoping for the today that you return to more reasoned dialogue.

    Oh btw I posted with regard to the Jizyah tax which Muhammad command way back in 2006 on my other blog Mapping the Red state Blue State divide. (follow link)
    see here

    I've done my research.

    Now let’s do our apologies, acknowledgement of wrong and continue in constructive communications.

  7. Anonymous4:10 PM

    Then answer me this:

    Who is responsible for Wright not being defrocked or excommunicated?

    Remember that Criminal Negligence covers Crimes of Omission.

    You would also do well to read the first couple of Chapters of the Book of Judges with repect to Crimes of Ommision.

    Remember Agag, the ancestor of Haaman in the Book of Esther.

    Sins of Ommision have been the jist of my argument all along.

    Do NOT Go Along!

  8. MD,
    Who's to say that he should be...YOU? ME?

    We live in a country that is secularly governed by a Constitution that guarantees certain liberties and freedoms.

    Two of those are the right to freely associate and the right to worship as one chooses.

    The day that I or the government can come in and demand that your minister be defrocked or excommunicated is the day that we had better look around to see if we are not under some sort of Fascist control.

    Criminal Negligence? Please cite the charges! If you can't then please stop using such hyperbole!

    You have done enough assuming for today. You assumed that I didn't know anything about Islamic Sharia Law regarding the Jizyah now you assume that I have not read Judges or the book of Esther.

    I would hope that you would think to stop with the attempts of superiority when it is plan for anyone who reads these posts that your feign intellectual superiority is becaming completely exposed.

  9. Anonymous5:03 PM

    I don't think I said anything about my govermnet demanding that a Preacher be excommunicated.

    On the other hand, I have no problem asking an denomination to excommunicate one of their rogues in order for them to retain their legitimacy with me.

    You know very well that Jerimiah Wright's Hate Speech is directed at causing a race war, and failure to speak up is a crime of ommission, at least on the moral level.

    You asked for examples of someone being responsible for someone else's words? How about Herod Agrippa, who perished of worms because he did not rebuke a crowd for calling him God?

    As for Judges, remember that the Children of Israle were held to account for permitting the Canaanite to remain in their land to commit idolatry, murder, and other crimes.

    You still haven't answered me as to why Wright has not been defrocked, YET.

    As per Jizyah, that is a Tax upon an Infidel/Kafir for the right to live in an Islamic Land. Don't tell me you favor that UNJUST TAX.

  10. Anonymous6:18 PM

    If Wright were a White man, he'd be an Imperial Wizard.

    It does not take the Wisdom of Rehaboam (in Ecclesiacticus) to know that the "United States of KKK" is a Racially Incindiary comment, and is a Sin of Ommission to fail to act against it. This man was ordained for 36 years. I ask again, whose fault is it tha such a race baiter was never defrocked?


  11. I don't think that you're understanding me MD.

    It is not for me or you to decide whether this minister should be defrocked.

    That's totally up to his congregation or his church hierarchy.

  12. Anonymous8:26 PM

    It is indeed up to the Congregation and the Congregation's Bishop, and the Denominational Leadership of the United Church of Christ as to whether Elijah Wright gets defrocked, excommunicated, and otherwise thrown under the bus.

    However, these bodies of Church Governance have a Legitimacy Problem associated with the "good" Reverend. Their failure to defrock him reflects upon them. My Bishop cannot take the United Church of Christ seriously and retain his credibility as Bishop, as my Parish Council or Priest, at leat not until the United Church of Christ deals with their problem to our satisfaction.

    With a 92% Nationwide dissaproval rating, with normally Black Liberal Pundants like Juan Williams to the RIGHT of me, I think that my expectations are reasonable. Even if Obama were out of the picture and Elijah Wright achieved notoiety a different way, I would still want his frock.

    I ask for his frock as a private Church Member outside his denomination, much as foriegn pressure groups seek to affect US Foriegn Policy. The number one culprit, as stated before, is the United Church of Christ. Be advised that I do not want the government to assist me in demanding Wright's Frock. The last type of governance I want, short of Islamic Shari'a Law, is Calvin's Geneva. Believe me, I have had enough of the Turkish Govenment dictating to the Patriarch of Constantinople.

    Obama went along. He has, by his silence, given implicit consent. He has made the political mistake of waiting too long to do something about Wright, even the "Right Thing", or even what I suggested. Obama's Judgement and Character are in question over his failure to act in a timely manner. Pharoah waited too long and paid the price. Nebuchadnezzer, on the other hand, knew when he was licked at the Fiery Furnace and did the Right Thing.

    PS: I really don't have horns!


  13. Anonymous7:01 AM

    Despite our disagreements and posturing, I think that you show some promise. Hence, I'm going to give you a mind exercise about the Bible. Believe me, go through this and you will be a better person.

    1) How were the books of the ible chosen? Why are the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John IN the Bible, while the Gospels of Thomas, Phillip, and Judas are OUT of the Bible.

    Hint: The Council of Carthage, 297 AD had something to do with it.

    2) Why was the Council of Carthage convened?

    Hint: The Gnostics were adding their own "Holy" books to the Bible to support their Doctrines, which included the Gospels of Phillip, Thomas, and Phillip. St. Irenaeus also had something to do with it.

    3) What does St. Irenaeus have to do with it?

    St. Irenaeus wrote "Against All Heresies" [a loose translation of the name], which exposed the Gnostics.

    4) Is Adversus Haeresus an intersting book?

    No, it is really quite boring. It is really a taxonomic guide to all of the Gnostic Cults of his day. The book can be summarized as a repeating story of gods having children and giving them ridiculous names. St. Irenaeus made the obvious point that if you were a god, you'd have better things to do than to have kids just so you could give them ridiculous names.

    5) Was this Church Council really necessary?


    6) Were the Church Fathers who selected the Books of the Bible competant to do the task?

    Here is where the paydirt is! According to Chapter XXXI of the Westminster Confession, as well as John Calvin's Doctrine of Total Depravity, they weren't. Now, you've got some Theological Problems. Time to use Occam's Razor to cut them down to size.

    Al, let me know when you've resolved these paradoxes.

    PS: I am only reacting the same way towards Jeremiah Wright in the same way that st. Nicholas did when he punched Arius, or when St. Irenaeus & the Council of Carthage reacted against the false books of the Bible writtten by the Gnostics. Jeremiah cannot be considered a Christain, nor can the United Church of Christ be if they continue to let that wildman ramble about undefrocked.