Recently I was challenged by a reader in which he ended his defense of president Barry Hussein Soetoro’s lack of proof of eligibility to be president with the following statement, “Alaphiah, President Obama won the election 53% to 45%. The people have spoken. He's black. He's the President. Now be a man, be an American, and get over it.”
Well I’m guessing that this person is not keeping up with current events because looking at the numbers this president is in serious trouble.
According to Andrew Malcolm of the Los Angeles Times (not a conservative newspaper), Now that [president Soetoro] has signed his beloved healthcare legislation and despite his continued stumping for the measure, CBS News finds a) the stumping has been ineffective, b) most Americans don't like the bill (53%), c) many expect the quality of care to decrease while costs continue to increase and d) few see anything in it for them. Other than that, it's a huge public relations success.
As another result of the passage and preceding rancorous healthcare debate, Rasmussen Reports finds that 53% of Americans now say they trust Republicans more with this traditionally Democratic issue, while 37% still trust [the Democrat] party.
Soetoro may have won the election but that was before the people saw what they were voting for. Now only 44% of Americans give Soetoro a favorable rating.
The RealClearPolitics average has Obama's approval at 47.5% and disapproval at 46.1.—Andrew Malcom
My anonymous reader really shouldn’t be so cocky because what the people did in 2008 will be undone. The people will speak again this year in November and again in 2012. And yes the only reason Soetoro was elected besides Bush hatred was because he is Black but that won’t happen again! And when he loses in 2012 there are a lot of Obamabots who will have to (how did you say…) get over it.
The Reader’s statement was in response to my post reporting that Lt. Col. Terry Lakin of the U.S. Army is refusing orders from president Barry Hussein Soetoro until the president shows proof that he is in fact a legitimate Commander-in-Chief. (see post)
First as an American I have every right to know if the person occupying the White House is there in accordance with Constitutional requirements. Second as an American I have every right that Hillary Clinton declared every American has. (hear 16 sec audio)
Thank you Secretary Clinton it’s reassuring to know that you Democrats understand that opposition is as American as apple pie. Why opposition is even patriotic according to Ms. Clinton.
Now to the fun. I’ve dealt with this particular reader before on the issue of Soetoro’s birth certificate. I know this because he continues to make the mistaken attempt to present his case that a “prima facie document” as he calls the phony document, which the president presented as a Certification of Live Birth, is substantial proof of Soetoro’s Hawaiian birth.
I on the other hand have shown on several posts, on this subject, evidence that more than refutes a prima facie claim. First I established that before Soetoro was president he and his associates were exploring whether they could challenge the Natural Born Citizen Requirement. Sarah P. Herlihy an attorney with a working relationship with Soetoro wrote a paper with the intent of challenging the Constitutional requirement. It is apparent this was done with Soetoro in mind. (see document below)
Amending the Natural Born Citizen Requirement Sarah p. Herlihy Feb 22 2006
This establishes that Soetoro always knew that he is ineligible to be president.
Now regarding that so-called prima facie Certification of Live Birth, below is a copy of that document as it was posted on the president’s own website fight-the-smears (see document below)
And below is a real Hawaiian birth certificate issue from Hawaii the day after president Soetoro is said to be born there.
Not the same as Soetoro’s is it? That’s the point! There is enough evidence to counter any Prima Facie document. Enough evidence to warrant discovery and enough evidence to have court proceedings follow.
The Reader who continues to point to the Certificate of live birth as proof positive of Soetoro’s Hawaiian birth is simply wrong.
What must Barry Hussein Soetoro do? He must recognize that there is a deficit of trust between him and the America people now. And he must show the original vaulted copy of his birth certificate something that every American has had to do at least a dozen times in their life time.
Showing his original vaulted copy would prove that Obama is constitutionally eligible to hold the office of the presidency. Why is it necessary? Well as I have said Soetoro has posted a fake Certificate as proof on his website, “Fight the Smears” as his birth Certificate (see site) and (here)
However we now know that a different type of birth certificate was issued by Hawaii at the time of Soetoro’s birth as presented by Ms. Eleanor Nordyke. Worldnetdaily Ms. Nordyke has come forward with copies of the original vaulted birth certificates issued to her for the births of her twin daughters born in Hawaii the day after Obama was purportedly birth there at the same hospital which he claims to be born in. (see certificate)
Again, not the same as Obama’s is it? That’s the point! All that the people on the radical left, my “Prima Facie” Reader included, are doing is casting aspersions on Americans and patriots who are asking for the president to show proof that he is not an Usurper as the evidence indicates. This is our right to do. No this is our duty!
“Prima Facie” Reader I have the right as an American to question the government or the president’s eligibility. But more importantly the president has the duty to dispel any doubt that he is functioning out of the scope of the constitution. He also has a duty to show Americans that he is legitimate.
Just ask Sen. John McCain who did show his long and short forms when Democrats questioned his eligibility.
You can't get a Passport with the document Barry put on the website....I think anyone with a Passport knows the drill.
ReplyDelete"There is enough evidence to counter any Prima Facie document. Enough evidence to warrant discovery and enough evidence to have court proceedings follow."
ReplyDeleteAs soon as you come up with any evidence, let us know.
McCain did not show his long and short forms. McCain did not show ANYTHING. The "birth certificate" that is online is a forgery. McCain said that he was born at the family hospital at the Coco Solo Naval Base. The birth certificate that is online is from the Colon Hospital, which is not on the naval base. And, McCain certainly did not post it or any birth certificate.
ReplyDeleteIn contrast, Obama did show his birth certificate--the official birth certificate of Hawaii--and the facts on it were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii.
Also, there is not a particle of evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. His mother did not even have a passport in 1961.
"I am an American and I have the right to debate and disagree"
ReplyDeleteOf course you do, but when you state that the President's Certification of Live Birth is phony -- and prove no evidence to that effect --and when you write that every American has had to show their original birth certificate at least a dozen times in their lifetime, and when you write that John McCain presented the long and short forms of his birth certificate, don't expect folks to take you seriously.
Since the anonymous posts all have a common theme I'll address them in this one answer.
ReplyDeleteIf there is any doubt (and there is) about the president's eligibility it is his duty and his sacred honor to allay those doubts to be best of his ability so that all Americans will honor the office of president. To date he has not.
Spending over 1 million dollars and hiding his records from Kindergarten to the Illinois state senate does great harm to this president as it gives the appearance that he his hiding damaging information from the American people.
You may be willing to take this man at his word however there are millions of Americans that feel that this man is a liar.
Americans like Sen. Jay Rockerfellow, Congressman Joe Wilson, and Supreme Court Justice Alito have all had the public occasion to question his veracity.
So forgive us all if we don't suspend disbelief like you. But in clear rational terms are asking for this man who can't seem to keep his promises of openness and transparency to be open and transparent about who he is.
People who question this president’s eligibility are not racist, they are not stupid, they are not nuts and they are not conspiracy seekers. We are American patriots who still believe that the constitution matters.
This is a controversy that is in this president's power to end. And the fact that he has allowed it to fester this long says much about his character.
The onus is on Soetoro to prove that he is eligible not the America people.
This is a one term president and a possible treasonous usurper and any president which follows him has the absolute duty to use the full force of the United States government to pursue Soetoro’s documents and anyone who aided and abetted in this farce of a presidency.
So if you are still thinking that we should be satisfied by that Certificate of live birth that he posted on fight the smears think again because on the bottom of that document it reads ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE.
And on the top right hand side of that document right after the words Certificate number there is an alteration.
So you have no proof whatsoever of your belief that Soetoro was born anywhere just his word.
Soetoro has offered an invalid document to prove his birth for a soon to be invalid presidency.
You said: "Spending over 1 million dollars and hiding his records from Kindergarten to the Illinois state senate does great harm to this president as it gives the appearance that he his hiding damaging information from the American people."
ReplyDeleteAnswer: He hasn't spent anything on hiding records. There was never a law case for his birth certificate or for records. ALL of them tried in one way or another to take away the presidency. MOST, and I read a dozen or so, did not even ask that Obama's birth certificate be provided to the court (which he would have done, the official birth certificate).
Virtually all the money was spent on defending lawsuits that tried to stop the election (easily a dozen, probably 20 or more). Then there were lawsuits that tried to stop the Electoral College from voting, stop the Congress from confirming the election (which it did, unanimously) and to stop the Inauguration.
Obama has posted the OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF HAWAII, and the facts on it were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii. Therefore, Obama HAS proven that he is eligible.
The Wall Street Journal said: "In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding."
And it concluded: "Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."
Obama's birth certificate was not altered. ONE image that was posted online had the numbers blacked out. They were not blacked out in the Web postings of FactCheck or Politifact.
I did not call you a racist.
Let's bottom line this; Soetoro, the Liberal biased media and all who purportedly verify a document that we haven't seen are not believable.
ReplyDeleteThat is why this needs to go to court where we can have it broadcast on CSPAN so that we all at the same time can come to the conclusion that the actual facts lead us to.
As it is, you point to sources that millions of Americans don't believe while you disregard facts that we believe.
At this point this issue needs to be tried in Court because none of your sources are believable.
And you are not believable because all we know for sure is his records are hidden and we haven't seen independent verification of anything that proves that Barry Hussein Soetoro is who he says he is.
This business that the President has spent over a million dollars on this is an internet myth on par with the allegation that the COLB is a phony. It's nothing but unsubstantiated nonsense, not backed up by any facts at all, as are all the birther arguments.
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to allege that someone has broken the law, you need evidence to prove your point, my friend. You have none. That's why every case on this matter has been thrown out of court. Every case has been thrown out, but that doesn't stop the birthers either. It's absolutely fascinating.
The redacted ID number on the COLB was simply a security measure to combat any possible identity theft. I've got news for you, Alaphiah, if you were to publish a jpg of your driver's license here with the ID number redacted, believe it or not, it would not invalidate the original document. Hard to believe I know, but the original would still be valid!
If the redacted ID number really bothers you, here's a photograph of the certification of live birth with the ID number intact, so you can rest easy:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
By early next year, Republican nominees will be announcing their candidacy for President, and I am just certain you will be hounding them with equal tenacity for their ORIGINAL birth certificates and their kindergarden records, won't you?
It's time to take a deep breath, pal, and let simple reason overcome your irrational hatred of President Obama.
You imply it when you stated that he is Black. That suggests because he is Black I have a problem with him being president.
ReplyDeleteWhich is not true I have a problem with him because he is a Liberal Progressive Democrat Socialist who has an agenda to change or undermine the U.S. Constitution.
No it is not an internet myth that Soetoro's records are legally protected or sealed.
ReplyDeleteIt is not an internet myth that Soetoro's attorneys have fought discovery motions that would have made him produce his birth certificate. You are flat out misstating the fact.
Which you can do. That is why this needs to be resolved in the courts.
The cases were dismissed on technicalities not the merits of the cases.
The courts have been telling the American people that we have no standing to ask if a person meets the constitutional requirements. Which is an injustice.
I have a legitimate constitution concern unlike the Bush hatred that we witness for 8 straight years in this country.
"No it is not an internet myth that Soetoro's records are legally protected or sealed."
ReplyDeleteNo one said it was.
"It is not an internet myth that Soetoro's attorneys have fought discovery motions that would have made him produce his birth certificate. You are flat out misstating the fact."
None of these cases has made it to the discovery phase. If you can prove one has, you should post it here. File this sentence next to the "the COLB is phony" and "he's spent a million dollars fighting this" indefensible nonsense.
"That is why this needs to be resolved in the courts."
It needs to be resolved in the courts now? So much for "this would all go away if he presented his long-form birth certificate," which you've been repeating like a petulant child. Now do you realize that the long-form would do no good in appeasing you and your birther friends?
Unless you can present some substantial evidence that the President was born somewhere other than Hawaii, no one is going to take you seriously. And reasonable folks will continue to deem you a laughing stock. If that's what you want, keep up the good work.
You said: “The Liberal biased media and all who purportedly verify a document that we haven't seen are not believable.”
ReplyDeleteOf the 43 presidents before Obama not one showed his birth certificate to the American people. Obama did, and the facts on it were confirmed by the officials in Hawaii.
The Wall Street Journal said:
“In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding.”
You said: “his records are hidden..”
They are not hidden. They are private, just like Bush’s college record are private, and Clinton’s, and yours and mine. There is no law that says that they should be made public. But, if you would like to pass a law, go right ahead and try. I doubt if any candidate would want to have ALL his college records made public.
You said: “and we haven't seen independent verification..”
We have seen the birth certificate of Hawaii, that is more than any other president has shown, and the facts on it were verified by the officials. The Wall Street Journal concluded:
“Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.”
The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.
The president would gain nothing politically for his trouble. By acknowledging the birthers’ demands, he would lend them a modicum of credibility. By ignoring them, he actually reaps political benefits from their efforts. His critics, even those who are not birthers, end up looking like cranks by association.”
You said: “Soetoro's records are legally protected or sealed.”
ReplyDeleteThey are legally protected under privacy statutes, as are the records of everyone. They are not sealed.
And, by the way, he never legally changed his name to Soetoro.
You said: “The cases were dismissed on technicalities not the merits of the cases.”
That was also what McCain did. He had the cases against his eligibility thrown out on exactly the same grounds, the plaintiffs had no standing to sue. And under our law the plaintiffs really do not have standing to sue. The precedents go back to people who tried to sue to stop the Vietnam War. They also had no standing to sue. (The solution must be with Congress. The Courts will not and cannot act. Only if you get enough votes in Congress to impeach do you have any power—and even then you have to convince the Congress that Obama was not born in Hawaii, and there is proof that he was.)
You said: “The courts have been telling the American people that we have no standing to ask if a person meets the constitutional requirements. Which is an injustice.”
It is THE LAW.